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Offline BDiegoW

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« on: June 09, 2003, 09:24:47 PM »
Hello,
I was referred to this forum for mac issues, so I hope someone out there can help me.

I have an iBook - the new one running OSX. I upgraded to OSX Jaguar (10.2) a while ago for some of the new features - mainly iSync. All is good, but the only complaint I have is that now it just seems so much slower than before. This may be in part due to the fact that I let it install all of its packages (including native languages that I don't really need).

The question is - does anyone know of similar issues, and is there an easy fix? Can these extra language packages be removed now? Any other ideas?

Thanks for the help,
Brandon
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 10:13:37 PM »
A full install should not slow down your system. How much RAM does your iBook have?

To remove the extra languages there are several utilities that may be available. I don't know if all have been updated to work with Jaguar as I always do a custom install and not install all the localization files.

Two that come to mind are: DeLocalizer and Monolingual, both should be available at:

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 10:15:00 PM »
Hi Brandon! Welcome to Techsurvivors!! welcome.gif  I'm sure you'll get some answers here soon--but I have a few questions that might help us figure out what's going on? Can you tell us which version of Jaguar are you running? (Have you done any of the updates--such as going to OSX.2.4, X.2..5, etc.?) Also, how much memory do you have?

One thing that comes to mind right away--when you installed Jaguar, did you repair the permissions using disk utility? It's a good idea to do this after any upgrade, installation, etc. To do this, open up the "Disk Utility" program that Jaguar installed. (It's probably in your applications folder->utilities folder.) Select the OS X volume, and  click on the first aid tab at the top of the screen. Then, at the bottom of your screen, click "Repair Disk Permissions". This should help at least a little--and maybe a lot. The repair can take a little time, so relax for a few minutes until it's done.

Write back with the other information and let us know if the "repair permissions" helped.

EDIT:  Ok, so KPS beat me to it by about 2 minutes about the RAM question. Still, repair the permissions--and then do whatever KPS suggests--he's "da man" when it comes to Jaguar!  notworthy.gif
« Last Edit: June 09, 2003, 10:16:43 PM by RobW »
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2003, 09:47:27 AM »
Thanks RobW and kps.

I greatly appreciate any help in this area - I can make a mac work, but some of the inner tricks and tips still elude me.  I apologize for not giving more information about the computer - it is an iBook with a 500 MHz PowerPC G3 chip, 320 MB of RAM, and it is running OSX version 10.2.6 - I tend to be good with the updates.  I have no idea why such an update (to Jaguar) would slow things down, but opening programs or running multiple programs now seems to be more of a strain on it.  Most noticably, it does take considerably longer to start up or shut down than it did before the upgrade.

RobW - thanks for the "repair permissions" suggestion - there were many things to be fixed, so I did repair, and I will see what changes that makes and keep you posted.

Thanks again,
Brandon
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2003, 10:04:25 AM »
Hi Brandon. Welcome to the Forum. smile.gif

I agree. RAM is always a good investment.

http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.c...138&type=Memory

For sure Repair Permissions.

http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html

One small thing. Turn off Genie Effect in Dock Preferences. Use Scale.

Also in Dock Preferences, turn off "Animate opening Applications".

Some people have had luck with Shadow Killer.

http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shadowkiller/

Let us know how it goes. smile.gif
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2003, 11:12:17 AM »
I've noticed that 10 is slower than 9 in some ways...Maybe just my imagination.

...and being an impulse shopper, I just followed Kelly's link to OWC and bought a 512 stick of 133 memory. $74 is an amazing price.  notworthy.gif

Anyone remember 32 Meg Fast Page Dimm prices? dry.gif
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2003, 11:21:59 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2003, 06:13:04 PM »
Kelly,

Hello, and thanks for the welcome.  I'm not sure if more RAM is possible for this little iBook - it has 64 built in and only one additional slot - the largest block I could get for it was 256, and that was a year ago, but it's worked wonders.  The computer came with OSX 10.1, and all was good - I upgraded to 10.2 and that's when things seemed to slow down a little bit.  RobW's suggestion about the file permissions did help a great deal, but I can't help thinking that all those additional packages of languages, etc. during the upgrade are slowing things (if nothing else, they are using disk space), so I was looking for an easy way to get rid of them - I'm not comfortable with the inner workings of OSX yet and I don't want to cripple the operating system.

Thanks,
Brandon
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2003, 06:39:50 PM »
Hi,

Glad that repairing permissions helped. I had a hunch it would. Remember to do it after updates, installations, etc. (I don't know if it's really necessary to do it after updates, but like chicken soup--it couldn't hurt.  tongue.gif)

After kps posted earlier in your thread, I went ahead and downloaded monolingual. (I"ve always been annoyed that I forgot to do the custom install of OSX.2 and ended up with a zillion languages.) Monolingual worked great. No problems--other than it took a bit of time to finish. I got back a bunch of space. Not sure if things are faster, but the space alone seemed well worth the time to run it. thumbup.gif
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2003, 07:20:16 PM »
BDiegoW,

  I don't know if the language packages are slowing are slowing down your iBook but an easy way to remove them is by using monolingual.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2003, 08:29:45 AM »
Brandon. All the newer ibooks can add a 512 MB SO-DIMM. smile.gif

http://new.lowendmac.com/pb2/ibook-guide.html

I think for you it would be worth it.

Do you have an HP Printer?

They had some issues with 10.2.x Upgrades.
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