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Re: Personal Wifi
« on: September 16, 2012, 05:58:37 PM »
Hi guys,
I have not been on Techsurvivors for a long time. My G4 has gone bust and I will have to investigate the cause, but this is not why I'm posting today.

I'm currently using a PC, an HP Mini laptop. I have been using known hotspots for wifi when out of the house, but I BROKE MY FOOT last Friday. So I have to investigate getting a "personal wifi," as I will not be able to ambulate beyond the one location where I am working, and where there is no available wifi.

The deal with Verizon, my carrier at home, is too expensive. I have been told that the wifi device (a modem, I guess) is nearly $200, and I can get a month's worth of wifi service for $50.

Apparently there are wifi cards, modems, or USB plugs which can enable me to receive wifi, sold by carriers other than Verizon. These seem to be very inexpensive, and of course there would be a monthly charge.

I cannot afford to buy the $200 Verizon device, nor can I afford a long-term contract with them for personal wifi. Does anyone here know which other carriers are reputable, and will really supply a "hotspot" for me? I don't have a smartphone, and I will have no other means of accessing the internet without some sort of setup as I have described.

Please don't tell me to go online and look up the carriers and devices...that was what my sister did, and of course is no help at all. I need a recommendation. Thanks!!!

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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2012, 10:20:21 PM »
I'm assuming you don't have cable TV/Internet?

That's certainly the cheapest (after paying for the Internet service, of course). You just plug an Ethernet cable into the cable modem and into an Airport or other brand WiFi transmitter. No extra monthly charges.

It sounds like what Verison wants to do is "give" you a 3G reciever/WiFi modem. That would work but would be limited to that speed. Of course, that's still many times dialup speed. But that is still an expensive monthly charge.

There probably are dongles that can connect to the computer but if they are with any phone company you will basically be considered getting phone service, thus the monthly fees and probably fairly low bandwidth allowances. Make sure you get all the possible charges before signing up for anything!!

DSL is another option that should be faster than cellular service. But you need to be within 10,000'feet of the switch and you'd stillmhave to buy an Airport or Linksys WiFi box.
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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 07:36:57 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Sep 16 2012, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm assuming you don't have cable TV/Internet?

That's certainly the cheapest (after paying for the Internet service, of course). You just plug an Ethernet cable into the cable modem and into an Airport or other brand WiFi transmitter. No extra monthly charges.

It sounds like what Verison wants to do is "give" you a 3G reciever/WiFi modem. That would work but would be limited to that speed. Of course, that's still many times dialup speed. But that is still an expensive monthly charge.

There probably are dongles that can connect to the computer but if they are with any phone company you will basically be considered getting phone service, thus the monthly fees and probably fairly low bandwidth allowances. Make sure you get all the possible charges before signing up for anything!!

DSL is another option that should be faster than cellular service. But you need to be within 10,000'feet of the switch and you'd stillmhave to buy an Airport or Linksys WiFi box.


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Thanks for the reply...I have to admit I don't understand it, but thanks anyway.

I have wifi at my place and my mom's place. What I've been looking for is how to get mobile wifi when I'm out of the house, and can't go anyplace like Panera or Starbucks where they have free wifi. Ordinarily I could, but I won't be able to go anywhere for a while, not with this broken foot. It's a long story...I work as a transport nurse right now, and will be stuck at the school, which will not allow wifi access for anyone but administrators.

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Since I didn't hear from anyone, I went to Radio Shack today and bought some kind of device made by Virgin Mobile, with a month's service prepaid. I will be setting it up tomorrow. The manager at the store assured me that having my own mobile wifi wouldn't interfere with the existing ones at my place or mom's...it will just show up in the list of wireless networks and I will click to connect. I hope he's right. Anyway...I won't need this for more than a month or two, tops. If it works, I could get accustomed to having my own wifi hotspot really fast, if I could afford it, which I can't.

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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 08:59:17 PM »
I'm totally confused. You just said:
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I have wifi at my place
So I don't understand why you are needing anything to create a WiFi "hotspot" at home. That's already what you say you have. dntknw.gif How were you using WiFi prior to the G4 "going bust?" Who is bringing the Internet into your house? Who is your Internet service provider? It will be one of three ways; Cable TV company, the phone company (DSL) or regular (but extremely slow) dial-up. Even if you are using a cell phone service, it didn't "go away" simply because you changed the computer.

I suspect that you are saying that the PC laptop does not have a WiFi card of any kind. Is that what you mean? On the other hand, you say you've been using WiFi when out of the house. Is that not with the PC?

Exactly what did you buy from Radio Shack, hopefully still unopened. If you can use WiFi with the PC, you should be able to use the WiFi you already have that you used with the G4. I'm running in smaller and smaller circles, I guess. flail.gif
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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 01:27:21 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Sep 18 2012, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm totally confused.


I have a little different take:    I understand her to say she has a working wi-fi pc, which she uses at home on her ISP network, she can also use it when out and about at free wi-fi hotspots.  Her place of employment will NOT allow her to get on Their wi-fi network

What she is attempting to accomplish is the ability to get on the internet at work by creating her own wi-fi hotspot at work separate from theirs.  ie: "Francine's network".

I have no idea what she bought at radio shack or even if what she is attempting is possible.


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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 03:12:32 PM »
Beats me! And we both read it in English! blush-anim-cl.gif

When she said she broke her foot and would not be able to move, I assumed (my big mistake?) that she would be working from home, possible a bed, even! laughhard.gif

Of course, if you are correct, that her place of employment doesn't have WiFi, there may well be a reason (security?!) and she might be well advised to find out how they would react to her privately using the web (obviously not the company Intranet) while at work. Thinking.gif
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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 09:45:34 PM »
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I have a little different take:    I understand her to say she has a working wi-fi pc, which she uses at home on her ISP network, she can also use it when out and about at free wi-fi hotspots.  Her place of employment will NOT allow her to get on Their wi-fi network

What she is attempting to accomplish is the ability to get on the internet at work by creating her own wi-fi hotspot at work separate from theirs.  ie: "Francine's network".


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Sorry for the confusion.

Your different take is correct. I think part of the problem is that you guys didn't understand what a "transport nurse" does. I travel in the school bus between the Bronx and Westchester with a disabled child to her school in the AM, and then later I accompany her home in the school bus. In between, there is something like 5 hours. The school does not make wifi available for anyone but the directors. I don't think there are many people working for that school who are over 35, and they all have smartphones, so I guess this doesn't matter much to them.

Before the accident, I used to go to other places and other towns in Westchester County, NY to use free wifi networks, like libraries, Panera and Starbuck's. But now I am stuck sitting in the cafeteria of this school for "special" children, b/c I am supposed to stay off my feet. I am the sort of person who likes to walk around a lot and explore, so this is quite frustrating. But at least if I have internet access, it isn't so bad.

Today was the first day using my "personal hotspot." I DO have internet access on my laptop PC with this little device, manufactured for Virgin Mobile, and a month's worth of wifi service. This actually creates a wireless network just for me, wherever I am. The trouble is...I can't get a stable connection when viewing streaming videos, which are part of a school assignment. This mobile wifi is more like a dialup connection, to tell the truth, although it's supposed to be 3G. But it's still better than NO internet.

I posted here b/c I know you guys, and there are a lot of people here with technical knowledge far beyond mine, even though my G4 is presently not operational, and technically I am not right now a Mac user. It seems that most people don't know much about how to set up a personal wifi hotspot, and this surprises me. I only knew that it was possible. My sister sent me all sorts of links she found by googling "mobile wifi," to different kinds of devices, and I got mad at her, b/c she wasn't really giving me any kind of recommendation. The slick salesman at Radio Shack told me that those devices were routers, and that I didn't need them to set up a wifi hotspot. But who knows?

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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 10:42:51 PM »
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Who is bringing the Internet into your house? Who is your Internet service provider? It will be one of three ways; Cable TV company, the phone company (DSL) or regular (but extremely slow) dial-up. Even if you are using a cell phone service, it didn't "go away" simply because you changed the computer.


I haven't been here for a long time, but I must say that I am somewhat surprised at your tone. For internet access we have Verizon FiOS, which is not DSL, nor Cable TV, nor dial-up. Before the G4 went bust, FiOS provided internet access for all 3 of our computers, and they set up a wifi network for us at the same time we were connected. I needed to be able to use my laptop in other parts of the house, away from the modem and without an ethernet cable. Our cell phone provider is Sprint, and we do not have internet access on our cell phones. None of this is actually relevant to the problem of finding a way to have a personal hotspot outside of the house, and nowhere near a public wifi network. I have managed to accomplish this, but I have no idea if any other way is possible.

Contrary to what I was told at Radio Shack and at my initial setup (and I asked very specific questions), the Virgin Mobile techies later told me that I probably am not getting 3G at the zip code where the school is located. Hence...the video stream keeps getting interrupted.

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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 06:38:18 AM »
QUOTE(Francine Eisner @ Sep 20 2012, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I have a little different take:    I understand her to say she has a working wi-fi pc, which she uses at home on her ISP network, she can also use it when out and about at free wi-fi hotspots.  Her place of employment will NOT allow her to get on Their wi-fi network

What she is attempting to accomplish is the ability to get on the internet at work by creating her own wi-fi hotspot at work separate from theirs.  ie: "Francine's network".


......................................................................
Sorry for the confusion.

Your different take is correct. I think part of the problem is that you guys didn't understand what a "transport nurse" does. I travel in the school bus between the Bronx and Westchester with a disabled child to her school in the AM, and then later I accompany her home in the school bus. In between, there is something like 5 hours. The school does not make wifi available for anyone but the directors. I don't think there are many people working for that school who are over 35, and they all have smartphones, so I guess this doesn't matter much to them.

Today was the first day using my "personal hotspot." I DO have internet access on my laptop PC with this little device, manufactured for Virgin Mobile, and a month's worth of wifi service. This actually creates a wireless network just for me, wherever I am. The trouble is...I can't get a stable connection when viewing streaming videos, which are part of a school assignment. This mobile wifi is more like a dialup connection, to tell the truth, although it's supposed to be 3G. But it's still better than NO internet.

I posted here b/c I know you guys, and there are a lot of people here with technical knowledge far beyond mine, even though my G4 is presently not operational, and technically I am not right now a Mac user. It seems that most people don't know much about how to set up a personal wifi hotspot, and this surprises me. I only knew that it was possible. My sister sent me all sorts of links she found by googling "mobile wifi," to different kinds of devices, and I got mad at her, b/c she wasn't really giving me any kind of recommendation. The slick salesman at Radio Shack told me that those devices were routers, and that I didn't need them to set up a wifi hotspot. But who knows?

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Hi Francine,

It's surprisingly difficult to get videos to stream properly on what is supposedly a "high speed" wireless network, much less from a mobile hotspot at times. There are so many variables, from actual connection speed, to whatever bandwidth is being taken up by however may users there may be on a wireless network at any given time... and there are a bunch of other factors at play as well. Our home network tests out at 2.1 MBPS download speed, but some streaming video is so content-rich it will not stream without buffering and stuttering. So it's not surprising to me that videos are not playing properly over a 3G network. And bear in mind, the minimum requirement for 3G is only .2 MBPS, or 200 KB per second, and that's only about 4 times faster than dial-up.

By the way, your phone should have some kind of indicator in the upper bar that would indicate whether you have a 3G connection... I think the only way my 3G phone might play videos without stuttering would be if the wireless data option is turned on and it could actually use a wireless network to handle the video content. All a long way of saying no matter what the guy at Radio Shack told you, it's difficult at best to get 3G to play with streaming video well.

It seems so backward to me that the school administrators won't let you use their network even though it's a part of your job. Bad on them!

Anyway, I hope that your injury heals fast and well, and that this will all be a faded memory in a few months. I wish I had a better solution for you, but as I understand what you've got going on with your hotspot, there's probably not much you can do unless you can find a wireless network to join with your phone... and then you probably wouldn't need it in the first place!

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Re: Personal Wifi
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 09:15:06 AM »
QUOTE(Francine Eisner @ Sep 20 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Who is bringing the Internet into your house? Who is your Internet service provider? It will be one of three ways; Cable TV company, the phone company (DSL) or regular (but extremely slow) dial-up. Even if you are using a cell phone service, it didn't "go away" simply because you changed the computer.


I haven't been here for a long time, but I must say that I am somewhat surprised at your tone. For internet access we have Verizon FiOS, which is not DSL, nor Cable TV, nor dial-up. Before the G4 went bust, FiOS provided internet access for all 3 of our computers, and they set up a wifi network for us at the same time we were connected. I needed to be able to use my laptop in other parts of the house, away from the modem and without an ethernet cable. Our cell phone provider is Sprint, and we do not have internet access on our cell phones. None of this is actually relevant to the problem of finding a way to have a personal hotspot outside of the house, and nowhere near a public wifi network. I have managed to accomplish this, but I have no idea if any other way is possible.

Contrary to what I was told at Radio Shack and at my initial setup (and I asked very specific questions), the Virgin Mobile techies later told me that I probably am not getting 3G at the zip code where the school is located. Hence...the video stream keeps getting interrupted.

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Sorry if my "tone" was disturbing, wasn't meant to be but it could be from my totally misunderstanding what you we asking for. My comments as to how you get intent service to your house, that still stands. "FIOS" is simply a faster cable method, whether you get phone or TV service in addition is not the point. As a matter of fact, my whole line of enquiry is moot since I didn't understand where you needed Internet service. While you used the word "work" in your first post, I didn't even realize that's where you were talking about and certainly had no knowledge of the fact that it would include traveling. I dare say most people only travel to/from work, not during. Of course, my job as a pilot is another exception to that rule. laughhard.gif

I'm just glad you have a modicum of Internet service with your setup. I'm not surprised that the company doesn't provide this kind of service for everyone, however. As you can see, it is expensive and is usually based on a data plan where the more you use the more you pay. Obviously, movies use humongous amounts of data and that's why many providers throttle the download rates when a customer uses too much data.

Once again, my apologies for my tone. Can't do much about my confusion, I stil like to travel and I'm often in that 'state!' blush-anim-cl.gif
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 08:12:05 AM »
Hey Jim,

I did a little investigating, and it's Verizon that's muddying up the waters of FIOS for you. They are offering a bundled internet, television and telephone fiber optic network to the home and marketing it as Verizon FIOS. They, along with Frontier communications were one of the first ISP's to offer this service in the country.

I hope that soothes your aching head!

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 09:12:06 AM »
No problem. Although I assumed Verizon doesn't want to identify FIOS as just a better 'cable' service! laughhard.gif Nor that they would/could include TV. However, I wonder how much they are getting for providing the WiFi transmitter which can be bought separately, of course (Airport, Linksys, etc.). It sounds like what she bought is basically a non-phone cellular receiver/transmitter. It uses the cellular radio but only for data (Internet) connection. Many people do the same thing by 'tehering' with their cell phone, data charges usually still apply, of course. "There ain't no free lunch!"

My main confusion was not reading enough importance into the word "work." Nor the fact that "work" wasn't in a traditional office. wallbash.gif rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 12:21:04 PM »
QUOTE(daryl66 @ Sep 19 2012, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have no idea what she bought at radio shack or even if what she is attempting is possible.


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If I was to take a guess, I think maybe this is what she purchased at RS.  Looks to me like a "router/modem" that connects to Sprint's G3 network.  Learn something every day.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 09:47:58 PM »
QUOTE(daryl66 @ Sep 22 2012, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(daryl66 @ Sep 19 2012, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have no idea what she bought at radio shack or even if what she is attempting is possible.


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If I was to take a guess, I think maybe this is what she purchased at RS.  Looks to me like a "router/modem" that connects to Sprint's G3 network.  Learn something every day.

Mobile WI-FI product

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Good guess, but this is what I bought:  http://www.virginmobileusa.com/shop/mobile...broadband-2-go/

Once again, I did this in the complete absence of any recommendations (not just from here, from anyone) so I had to take the RS guy's suggestion. Perhaps something else would have worked better.

I do not have a smart phone, and I have no internet connection with my cell phone.


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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 01:09:58 PM »
Oh, what a bummer!  I got a really severe ankle sprain August 1, torn tendons, and summer for me ground to a halt, except for swimming and kayaking. Damn thing still hurts nasty sometimes.

Hope you get over yours quicker, if they give you a boot to wear, do wear it. It was too hot for me to wear mine, and it takes longer to heal.
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