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« on: March 03, 2018, 12:52:31 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/fe...ech-doctors-say

Make sure your kids/grandkids spend less time with the electronic gadgets and more time with pencils, pens, crayons and such.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2018, 03:16:50 PM »
QUOTE(kimmer @ Mar 3 2018, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/fe...ech-doctors-say

Make sure your kids/grandkids spend less time with the electronic gadgets and more time with pencils, pens, crayons and such.


No surprise there, unfortunately. My own handwriting has deteriorated terribly from the days when I spent a large part of my working day doing landscape architectural drawings (by hand). Now, when I have to write anything lengthy by hand, not only is the control gone, but my hand cramps up pretty quickly. My sons (both in their 20s) have TERRIBLE handwriting. They don't teach it in school anymore either (at least not in the US or Canada) - and neither of them can easily read handwritten cursive.

All those little muscles/fine muscle control need regular exercise to stay in shape - that goes for all of us, not just the kids! wink.gif
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2018, 04:34:23 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Mar 3 2018, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(kimmer @ Mar 3 2018, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/fe...ech-doctors-say

Make sure your kids/grandkids spend less time with the electronic gadgets and more time with pencils, pens, crayons and such.


No surprise there, unfortunately. My own handwriting has deteriorated terribly from the days when I spent a large part of my working day doing landscape architectural drawings (by hand). Now, when I have to write anything lengthy by hand, not only is the control gone, but my hand cramps up pretty quickly. My sons (both in their 20s) have TERRIBLE handwriting. They don't teach it in school anymore either (at least not in the US or Canada) - and neither of them can easily read handwritten cursive.

All those little muscles/fine muscle control need regular exercise to stay in shape - that goes for all of us, not just the kids! wink.gif

Yup. I've been forcing myself to actually write with pen on paper because I noticed the same thing you have: deteriorating handwriting. I actually find it relaxing now to sit and journal.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 09:15:41 AM »
Remember the over-sized pencils they used to have kids learn with?  I don't think I've seen any lately!  My handwriting
has gone away in favor of "printing" real fast if I have to take notes or write a note; computers of course.  My father
gradually lost the ability to write legibly so when he retired he took a couple of calligraphy courses to improve. Maybe I'll
do that!  

I suspect that there must be a computerized calligraphy course or app out there! Thinking.gif
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 11:44:21 AM »
I propose that handwriting has never been a suitable means of communication. Those who were capable of consistent "school-house" script were probably in great demand... some places. But even a cursory examination of of the court house collection of wills, contracts and legal documents will quickly display some horrible examples of 'encrypted' writings! Likewise, anyone who has attempted to decipher the many census records will never believe 'hand writing' was ever taught! Of course, practice can help, but it seems most of us get lazy, sometimes to the point of not being able to even read our own writing! blush-anim-cl.gif laughhard.gif My best penmanship was a result of printing notes on building plans for a few months long, long ago...
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 03:50:09 AM »
I have very nice handwriting.
My cursive skills are due to being "taught" at a time when my motor skills were primed and ready, AND because of the good Sisters of Notre Dame!  We also received a grade for *handwriting* as part of our report cards.
As an adult, I took a copperplate calligraphy class. I did okay and improvement was steady over time, but my calligraphy teacher was an awesome calligrapher!
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 09:40:14 AM »
I really haven't needed to know this stuff for 25 years but in case there is some ideas for teaching kids to hold a pencil:

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Place a crumpled tissue between your child’s palm and last two fingers, and have them hold it there. It helps keep those extra fingers out of the way as they write.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 12:02:10 PM »
I think you might want to save those tissues when crying over the lack of legibility of most hand writing... tears.gif
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 09:59:46 PM »
We had those large pencils at my school for the very young. Now that I think of it, those pencils are what they often recommend for the elderly who have arthritis. I also ordered the "fat" crayons for the kindergartners. Originally I had the large crayons for 1st graders but as time went on they insisted they have the small ones to appear more adult. I capitulated to the teachers' requests but they soon realized the thin crayons would break easily as the kids put pressure on them inappropriately. I had to order three times the number of thin crayons as thick, and the cost was more than you'd expect.

As to the script style losing it's place, I often think of the exquisite letters sent back home from the soldiers on the Civil War battlegrounds. As difficult as it was then using dip pens or even quills, the beauty of the text is delightful. Even the lesser educated of the troops was still able to compose delightful prose executed with impressive skill.

Below is a link to a forum thread that is interesting to parse if you are the least bit intrigued by the script styles of the Civil War era.

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-...g-styles.75834/

A few quotes from the discussion that I found pertinent :

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It sure does take practice but, if you stop before you get writer's cramps and add little by little to the time, it is enjoyable. Plus, everybody wants to see soldiers write orders and reports. It won't hurt for kids to get interested in writing as it isn't taught as the computer is taking over. Kids and older kids and even big kids aka adults love a challenge, especially when it adds to an impression. It isn't easy in the beginning but once you get the hang of it--its easy and wonder what the big fuss was about.

Remember though, in the early 1800's--nobody printed. That was for books. Everybody started writing and from middle grade throughout their life--write, write--write. After freedom away from teachers then people went and added their own personal flourishes to it.


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Being a student myself--usually there is a film of oil on dip pen nibs to prevent rust. Could be hand oil too. Squirt Windex or some glass cleaner with ammonia and wipe it off with a paper towel or toilet tissue. That big dollop of ink could be due to angle also. Quills (feather) are hollow like a straw so its gravity feed and like hand under water, angle regulates the flow. Could be ink problems too. Fountain pen ink is more watery than dip pen ink and runs faster off the nib. Uncapping the bottled fountain pen ink to allow it to evaporate some may be of help. Anyway--Ms. Weyraugh has worked with left handers before and she stresses that such writers must be extremely light in their up strokes as they are going against the grain per se.

Paper also matters. Staples Eco Friendly sugar cane paper is a Left Handed person's best friend as it lacks the fibers in normal writing pads and cotton rag content. Until getting the 'knack' of caressing paper with a sharp as a razor nib as you write, its smooth surface is writing on glass and don't run into the snags.


Addendum: I taught Calligraphy to my 5th and 6th graders using the dip pens and special tips. The kids seemed to find it fascinating though doubted whether they would ever use the skill. A few years after I retired I got an email from a former student who thanked me for the experience. Seems he had no idea what to get as gift for his mother's birthday, remembered his old art class, bought a pen set and ink, practiced for some time and produced an illustrated poem in Old English. His mom broke down and cried when he gave it to her. smile.gif
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 08:52:16 AM »
Teachers shouldn't have to wait so long for many of their "Thank You!" Most students never understand what their teachers did for them! clap.gif
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 10:49:16 AM »
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ddendum: I taught Calligraphy to my 5th and 6th graders using the dip pens and special tips. The kids seemed to find it fascinating though doubted whether they would ever use the skill. A few years after I retired I got an email from a former student who thanked me for the experience. Seems he had no idea what to get as gift for his mother's birthday, remembered his old art class, bought a pen set and ink, practiced for some time and produced an illustrated poem in Old English. His mom broke down and cried when he gave it to her. smile.gif

 wub.gif   Priceless memory. Thanks for sharing it.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 11:20:35 AM »
I admired my father's efforts at calligraphy and I asked an artist in downtown Larryville to draft the original language version of a Welsh poem from the area in southern Wales my family is from (something from the 1600's) and then had it framed with the English translation of the original stuck to the back so he could take the thing off the wall and read the english translation to his guests.  Some of them never caught on! smile.gif
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