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« on: March 17, 2018, 09:14:18 AM »
I saw KnockKnock recommended in the new MacLife magazine on page 88. Article said "Find Rogue apps Slowing down your Mac"
 So I installed it, and its very nice, this Mac is squeaky clean, no virus or any malware.


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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2018, 02:11:33 PM »
There are a few items on this dev's site that cause me some concern, mainly because I'm so distrusting, especially for apps that claim to detect malware on a Mac. Here are the statements I find interesting, at least and worthy of verification, if possible:
    1. "signed-Apple items are filtered out by default"
    2. "since VirusTotal is fully integrated into KnockKnock, known malware will be detected (and highlighted in red). The remaining items that are not flagged can be manually examined."
    3. "it ask to access the keychain"
    4. "[it tries] to access the network"
1. While Malware on the Mac is still rare, some of the worst has been through the use of "signed" apps, at least for the first few days/weeks until Apple updates the list of safe devs. Therefore, this app intentionally misses any of these types of malware, we are still open to this vector until Apple (or the media) makes it known.

2. "VirusTotal" may be completely transparent and honest, but it web-based and so further removed from direct user trust and possible contact. This app depends on the veracity and safety of that site and its operators. It also has the capability. Further more, the dev suggests that there may still be other files/apps that could simply not yet be in the VirusTotal database and we should use other methods. "google the hash of the file, run strings on it..." or even contact the dev.

3. Although I don't normally use Keychain for saving passwords, etc., I don't like giving access to it to any other app, even if they "promise" to only look at certain parts of it. rolleyes.gif

4. To access the VirusTotal database, the app must use the web. While we can expect the app to transfer only relevant data about System, how will we know. I recommend at using a good VPN to eliminate third-party access to the data, whatever that may be.

Lastly, I notice that the site still has a copyright date of 2017. This leads me to believe that the development of this app, if not the dev's work, is in other areas and not a primary endeavor. Even if this is one simple site, it is does not require rocket science to create a script that will update details like this automatically... should the dev be so busy that he can't be bothered.

None of these things may bother you but I'll continue to use more 'mature' apps that update their malware databases at least once a day and don't require any access to other parts of my secure system areas.

I would like to say something positive, at least about the work of the dev; all his apps are free and all involve protecting the Mac from various attack vectors. Perhaps it would be best to use all of the separate apps than any particular one.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 03:57:37 PM »
Thank you for your great explanation!
I have recently found that some of the things highly recommended, like 5 stars, in this magazine, have not been what they touted.

I fixed the Apple items so they would be scanned.
I dont use the keychain either, so there isn't much in mine.

So what I need to ask you, is what is a good 'mature' app which would scan my machines?  If I need to do it, which I am wondering if its necessary. I am very careful of what I do on the net, and dont let my grandsons download any of their game stuff any more.

Second, I am wondering if I need a VPN, I know lots of people use them. But I wonder if its needed in my case.

I think you should be teaching an online Mac class!  DOnt know how I would get along with stuff without TS.

I know Facebook is dangerous for being too public, but I do use it now, as I got involved in placing dogs looking for homes. And putting up storm info, as we always have power, when the rest of our area is out. 20KW generator. And keeping people warm, letting them know we will help people out in situations like this.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 04:14:16 PM »
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what is a good 'mature' app which would scan my machines?
That sounds like an excellent topic to practice using the TS Search function. (a famous comment by may instructors: "We will leave that as an exercise for the student.") That will bring up topics/threads where we have discussed apps and whether they are even needed. Then use another web-wide search engine like DuckDuckGo or even Google. In all cases, "consider the source"! Don't take my word for anything! I've got my own biases and misteakes! I'm just saying don't take a magazines comments as always or completely trustworthy; some of them or their writers have been found to be even more untrustworthy than I am!!

The need for a VPN is a topic for a whole topic. I have one but don't always have it running. They are not usually free and I'm pretty much a penny pincher! I read a lot of reviews of companies that offer this service before deciding which to choose.

We already have at least two trained and experienced teachers at TS. I have neither training nor experience and little of what I consider to be another very important characteristic of an effective teacher: patience! wink.gif
« Last Edit: March 18, 2018, 05:25:59 PM by Xairbusdriver »
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2018, 07:57:34 AM »
I do like DuckDuckGo a lot, works very well. Guess I dont need a VPN.

I sure learn a lot here with TS!

My fun project now is setting up weather cams, trail cams, and more. Its FUN!
We have lots of wildlife and the coyotes walk right up to the cameras.


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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 10:29:59 AM »
In the German language there is an old motto that I like - "Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser".
An exact translation is not easy because "Kontrolle" is subtly different from "control" in English, but a close translation would be,
"Trust is good, deep scrutiny is better".

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2018, 10:52:02 AM »
I like that!I usually run any new software by you people here, before I buy it. But this time I relied on the magazine.So anyone here do weather cams?  Or security cams?Interested in fun pictures, and wild weather And for example, this fellow who trots thru our garden or woods nightly, andkeeps the squirrels down to a minimum. We have coyotes too, they are also part of our 'rodent patrol'.Forgot to say, this camera doesnt record the proper temperature, Ive reset it many times, ignore it.