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Bug in Jag Installer - beige G3?
« on: August 19, 2003, 08:24:56 PM »
I just got Jaguar and tried to install same on my workhorse beige G3 (400 MHz ZIF, 768MB RAM, 40GB 5400 RPM IBM, 80GB 7200 RPM WesternDigital, 17" Viewsonic A72f, Time Warner RoadRunner Broadband, 250 MB external SCSI Zip, Yamaha 8424 external SCSI CD burner 'Frankenstein', Kensington TurboMouse5, OS 9.2.2 and 10.1.5).  

Note that this machine currently has OS X (10.1.5) installed on its own 8 GB partition and 9.2.2 on another 8 GB partition (both of these 8 GB partitions are the first 8 GBs on their respective HDs) and this set-up has been working flawlessly for many months.  I still work mostly in 9 (I had stayed with 9.1 for a loooong time and only upgraded to 9.2.2 a few weeks ago; all's been well since that upgrade) and boot into X a few times a week for various things that seem to work better or go more smoothly in X than in Classic (the few times I have attempted to use Classic mode from w/in X I found it unacceptibly slow).

Anywho, when the Jag Installer gets to the point of selecting a disk onto which to install, it reports that none of the partitions (there are six in all) are w/in the first 8 GB of their respective disks (two of them definitely are, the ones on which 9.2.2 and 10.1.5 are now installed).

I tried starting the Jag Installer both while running in 9.22 and while running in 10.1.5, justin case it made a diff - no diff.

Anybunny else run into this?  Is there a workaround?

TIA,

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2003, 08:31:51 AM »
FWIW. smile.gif

"Mac OS X

If you have a hard drive over 8 GB in size, you must partition it. The partition containing OS X must be within the first 8 GB of space or you will not be able to run OS X. (If you are creating the partion within OS X, it must be 7.45 GB or smaller as reported by Disk Utility, because sometimes a GB is billion bytes and sometimes it's 1,073,741,824 bytes.)

You can only boot OS X from a "master" drive in the beige G3. This applies to hard drives and CD-ROM drives. If the CD-ROM is set to slave, you will not be able to install OS X. If the hard drive is set to slave, you will not be able to boot from it.

Non-Apple upgrades and peripherals (such as unsupported USB devices, replacement drives, and third-party memory) may cause problems when installing or booting into Mac OS X."

http://new.lowendmac.com/ppc/g3b.shtml

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2003, 09:26:03 AM »
QUOTE(kelly @ Aug 20 2003, 8:31 AM)
...within OS X, it must be 7.45 GB or smaller...

...You can only boot OS X from a "master" drive in the beige G3. This applies to hard drives and CD-ROM drives. If the CD-ROM is set to slave, you will not be able to install OS X. If the hard drive is set to slave, you will not be able to boot from it....

 Thnask, Kelly!

I searched Apple, MacFixIt, and OSXFAQ, but I did not think of checking @ LowEndMac.

Awfully considerate of them, changing the requirements from version to version....I guess I will have to do some serious shuffling of data between my drives, wipe my 40 GB HD, repartition, and reduce the size of X's partition from 8 to 7.45 GB.

I never before 'heard of' the requirement about the X-boot drive needing to be a Master device - do you think it's safe to assume that since I can currently boot reliably into 10.1.5, which now resides in the first 8 GB of my 40 GB drive (ATA Bus 0, Device 0) that it's already set as Master, or do I need to open the box, pull the drive, find the documentation, and interpret the jumper settings to empirically confirm this?  

Or is that what 'Device 0' indicates?

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2003, 09:38:12 AM »
If it's too big I'd just take care of that. smile.gif

As far as I know that doesn't indicate Master or Slave. smile.gif
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2003, 10:58:08 AM »
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I never before 'heard of' the requirement about the X-boot drive needing to be a Master device


That's the first I've heard of that too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2003, 11:17:14 AM »
Don't know if you've seen this yet, but here's a good source for Beige G3

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/index.html