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« on: February 16, 2003, 12:35:00 AM »
A year or so ago when I was shopping for a digicam, I encountered a comprehensive and really helpful site that allowed selection of competing models - - from a lengthy roster - - so to create a comparison of a large number of features and prices. (In case anyone's interested, that site is being revised, but you can find info on it . . .

 Here

Now, however, I'm shopping for a TFT display (20 inch), but I've been unable to find much of a comparison "engine" except those listing prices only . . . and even those come up rather short on info, IMO.'

So, thought I, why not ask Der SearchMeister to see if he might have something to recommend as an aid to researching this problem? Or maybe someone else also knows how/where to gather such comparative data.

I am particularly interested in comparing features of Apple's new 20" Cinema display, with Sony and Viewsonic's "competition".

Shhhhh. Please don't tell my spouse . . . the "result" of this endeavor is to be a gift for her.

TIA
 
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2003, 09:54:00 AM »
Hi Dick. Belated Happy Birthday to you and the other "experienced" members.  

Don't have much on LCDs, mostly CRT links.

The dealmac Forum is a good place to search or post on this.

For example.

http://dealmac.com/forums/read.html?f=1&i=...43796&t=1038996

http://dealmac.com/forums/read.html?f=1&i=...47524&t=1045882

From what I've read, you really can't go wrong with that Apple 20".

People are loving them.

They do best in OS X. In OS 9.x you lose some features.

http://dealmac.com/forums/read.html?f=1&i=...46644&t=1046644

Is this a factor?

Looks like you can save some money with a Dell or others, but are they better?

Probably not.

You should probably contact tortise about this. He can give some info I'm sure.

Though he's pretty much down on Apple monitors.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2003, 04:24:00 PM »
Hi    I really like the monitors here,
http://www.dealtime.com/xFN-Monitors/MN-Co...23/Product.html
Look for one with the Built-in TV Tuner  
There's some 15" LCD's at reasonable prices.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2003, 05:28:00 PM »
Thanks so much, Kelly.

Yes, I had checked with Tortoise, who has a concern about the 1 yr warranty of Apple, vs. the rest of the world (plus, for his work preference), multiplatform capability. He decisively recommends Sony.

I confess to not having known before this that DealMac had forums, so it's nice to know where other experience(s) can be sampled.

The qualities that now seem (possibly) important in my quest are easel vs pedestal support, wide screen vs "traditional" ratio, warranty, compatibility (w/o requiring all sorts of adapters and such), clarity especially in font viewing by  . . . ahem . .  older eyes (we're not designers out here) and grandkid pic "appreciation", and - - of course - - the $ involved.

Thanks for coming through again, Searchmeister.
 
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2003, 05:36:00 PM »
Well - they're not quite 20" - and they may or may not all be TFT's (I dunno) - but this might be helpful:

January 2003 19" LCD shootout

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2003, 08:16:00 PM »
RHP I almost hesitate to comment in the presence of more knowledgeable folk, but I have had experience with a pretty good 15” LCD monitor.  A KDS which I picked up from the “Loafer’s Glory - Super Store”, about 15 months ago.  It quit suddenly after about 3 months, and I contacted them.  I had a replacement within two days, and then, I packed up the old one in the same box, and returned.  No questions asked, very courteous and I think prompt replacement.
They have 3 year warranty.
The picture quality, is far superior to my previous crt Mac and Sony monitors of course, and rivals that of my G4 iMac 15”
I used it on my Beige G3 with a Griffin Mac PnP adaptor, which was easy to set up and works great.
KDS also has adaptor, and some retail stores may have it in stock, while any good catalog house should have it also.
I have seen a number of units running in large stores with up to 40 monitors and computers turned on and there is a great difference in some.
[However, as you know, monitors can be set to suit who ever sets them up, and their reasons for doing so.]

 21" monitor
 17" for comparison  retail outlets  catalog outlets

Out here in the ‘boonies, I am kind of limited in what I have access to, so I am sure that someone makes a better one, and possibly for less money.  But my experience with the KDS has been the best monitor so far.  Apple should be so good about looking after their customer.    
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2003, 04:58:00 PM »
Actually, I'm going through the same decision making process in regards to monitors: I can't make up my mind between the 20" & 23" Apple displays; I've heard pros and cons on both: I'll read in some forums the 20" is better, while others say no, get the 23" ... I've got about 6 weeks or so to make up my mind. This display will be hooked up to the new G4 1.42 Ghz.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2003, 11:42:00 PM »
There is a review in the 2/2003 Macworld on the Formac Gallery 2010 LCD monitor.  It compares very favorably to the 23" Apple Cinema HD Display for $800 less than the Apple display.

The Formac has a 1,600 by 1,200-pixel display vs. a 1,200 by 1,024 display with the original 22" Cinema Display.  Formac claims a 600:1contrast ratio, twice that of Apple's Cinema Displays.  The Formac comes with a three-year warranty and no more than two dead pixels vs. Apple's one-year warranty and ten dead pixels.

I haven't had the opportunity to compare the Formac and Apple monitors, but if I was in the market for a large LCD monitor I would make the effort to do so before making a final decision.

I don't see the review on the Macworld website, but it can be found on page 43 of the current issue.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2003, 08:40:00 AM »
Thanks, Mayo ... I've heard a few things about Formac that were less than praiseworthy: customer service is horrible, and the displays were "flimsy". But, of course, this is hearsay, so I shall delve deeper.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2003, 09:45:00 AM »
I've also seen many complaints on Formac support, or lack thereof.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2003, 10:54:00 AM »
Time for a bit of an "intermediate" report on my quest, should it be helpful in any way to anyone.

I've had a chance to compare the Apple 20" and 23" side by side and, to my aging eyes, the 20 is absolutely dazzling. BIG and beautiful and competitively priced (finally!). BUT, the question remains, will wp fonts be as easy for the recipient's eyes (which, also, are . . . uhmmm . . . "mature) to discern? The "real" fonts appear awfully small, however sharp.

Ironically that issue was addressed in letters in a forum that Harv found for me, where the discontinued 22" was compared to the new 20" and the continuing 23". Resolution-varieties aside, the physical number of pixels per inch are different only in the 22, now zipping out of stores at fire sale prices (which I have apparently missed). It is specifically noted that makes fonts larger and easier for "seniors" to perceive.

A couple of other notes.

Apple's easel support, I have decided is, in fact, "better" for us than a pedestal support, since I have always believed that the so-called ergonomic data one sees published, re: montior viewing, is simply wrongheaded. I've never seen anyone hold a book/newspaper/typrwriter!/whatever up to "eye level" to read and compehend (as many presumed authoritative computer-setup diagrams imply). Especially w/bi-tri focals, having the screen situated "normally" for reading, i.e well below "eye level" is far more comfortable and the Apple pedestal would facilitate that.

The "boot-in-9" vs Classic issue (w/the new 20" only) was simply wrongly described by a Jobs' minion at the Palo Alto Apple store . . . i.e. WRONG! To my genuine distress. If they can't get it right, how are we amateurs to do so? (I could, 'cause the trusty Pendragon has been looking over my shoulder, so to speak, during this quest). All the way from Maryland!

The truth?

It depends. Some G4s, depending on their video cards, will boot in 9.2.2. some will not. Ours apparently will. This is important because we have some really old word processor apps (and archived files to match) that require 9.2.2 (not Classic) to open successfully. (Fie on you, untrained Apple Store employee and associated inept management!)

Connectivity (w/o extra expense, that is) is a given with the Apple TFTs. Not so with many of the competition. Also, IAWK and sokukodo about reports of Formac's reputation for service. Lots of personal reports decry it.

So there you have it. I have yet to make a decision - - given the font-legibility questions remaining - - but the search for data is certainly a lot more interesting than reading a single review somewhere. Thanks for all  the help to this point. Any other observations are absolutely welcome.
 
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2003, 11:29:00 PM »
Thanks for much needed insight, RHP ... if the 20" and 23" are close, quality wise, what is the HD distinction? Is this simply marketing? hmm ... I was leaning toward the 23", but now ... the 20 is sounding better ... I only wish that there was an Applke store closer than Durham, NC: that's a long bike ride!
   Incidentally, I can relate to the aging eyes thing ... I wear tri-focals, and I've heard that LCD screens are much easier on the eyes!
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2003, 11:44:00 PM »
Richard:

If the font size weren't an open question,  still , we'd already have a 20" sitting on the desk. Its default resolution allows for easy two page viewing . . . but you probably should check-out the legibility of fonts at that resolution for your own particular vision.

I could imagine no reason to spend an extra 600 bucks for the 23", if the booting-in-9 issue doesn't apply to your G4.

The 20 is simply gorgeous.
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2003, 12:04:00 PM »
Thanks, RHP, the booting into 9 really isn't an issue as I very seldom go there anyway ... hmm ... now I find myself leaning toward the 20.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2003, 01:06:00 PM »
I have learned to take Macworld's reviews with a liberal dose of salt, so I wouldn't rely on the Formac review without doing more research myself.