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« on: March 26, 2003, 05:02:00 PM »
I read with great relief there are no stupid questions here so:
I want to get the WD 120GB SE from New Egg mentioned in another post.
Will this work in my BWG3?
The site says "drive only." What does this mean? Will i have to go out and get something?
 I laugh when people say "go to your Radio Shackand ..." they havent been to my Radio Shack.
Bigger questions:
What i want to do is make this the only drive in the G3. I think it would make the install easier and make for a quieter machine. Is this the wrong approach? I also have a FWHD but i want a bigger internal drive, the main one (im not taking it out and moving it in). I figure i dont need three.
Should i attempt to save my operating sytem (Jag) on the external and then copy it to the new drive, or just start other?
Lastly, were can i find instructions for this, assuming i get the no-frills version.
And i promise i will never complain about my FWHD ever again (it's going pretty good on OSX, i think because i lost the SilverLining software disc and just let Jag take of it).
Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2003, 09:33:00 AM »
ok i figure it will work.
What's the difference between drive only and retail, besides about $50.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2003, 10:07:00 AM »
hingyfan. No there are no stupid questions.  

I'm guessing Drive Only won't include Sled or IDE Cable.

But I don't know for sure.

When I went to the Database I found 64 Reports

about the Western Digital in a B&W.

Makes a big difference if it's Revision 1 or not.

Recommend you check them out.

http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/sear...h.drivedb.lasso
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2003, 12:23:00 PM »
Apart from the corruption issue - a big one with Rev 1 B&W's, so do check it out - a retail drive does come with the cable (never seen one come with a sled, Kelly - certainly not the last few I've purchased!). You probably don't need that cable however, as most ATA cables have another connector already. ($50 for a cable seems a tad expensive - they sell for less than $5 online...   ) And that's if you're planning on putting in two drives. If you're simply replacing the drive that is already there, then it is even more of a moot point. However, two connectors are handy if only to temporarily connect both drives and transfer documents and files. You should have a peek inside the B&W and check the existing cable and whether or not you need another drive sled if you do intend to leave two drives in there. The Sawtooth G4's have a double decker drive sled, (so no need for another sled) but I'm not sure about the B&W. Also, if you're only planning on connecting two drives for the purposes of transferring files, I wouldn't worry about a sled - you're not planning on leaving it in there permanently, so it can sit in there "loose".
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2003, 06:19:00 PM »
Yes, this drive will work in a B&W G3, or any other computer that takes an IDE hard drive.

The difference between "Retail" and "Drive Only" is that "Retail" comes in a fancy box, and includes an IDE cable, mounting screws, and a small manual. "Drive Only" comes in an antistatic bag and does not include cable, screws, or documentation.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2003, 07:23:00 PM »
Yeah Paddy. I should have said "Drive Rails".  

Or whatever you want to call them.

The things that would allow you to mount them in a larger Bay.

I think Drive Sleds as we know them are more of a mac thing.

And these are set up for PCs really.

And besides the stuff tacit mentions.

You might get a Floppy Disk with PC Software.

As for the Drive working.

There's special problems with the Revision 1s.

It might be best to get an IDE Controller.

Ask M_B.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2003, 12:35:00 AM »
Maybe OWC would be better since they are aware of the problems. I rather spend more and get the right thing. In fact i would rather spend more no matter what!

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2003, 08:44:00 AM »
Here it is.  

 "Although the box says "Windows 95 required", the Maxtor 10GB drive works fine  in  every Apple IDE based Mac I've seen (G3s, 64/6500, etc.). The kit includes:

10GB drive (model may vary)
Standard dual drive IDE ribbon cable
3-1/2 to 5-1/4 drive bay mtg brackets and screws
 (For standard PC chassis bays and some Mac clones only)
Floppy Disk with Maxtor's MaxBlast Util. for PCs (not needed)
Instruction manual (keyed to PC installations)"

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2003, 08:17:00 PM »
SO the box, hardware dont matter. Its the Rev. 1 vs. 2 thing i should be concerned about. Will the Egg tell the truth?

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2003, 09:49:00 AM »
hingyfan. Yes. The most important thing is Rev 1 or not.  

Al described ways to tell that in this thread.

http://www.techsurvivors.net/cgi-bin/ultim...ic;f=1;t=010567

Here's a picture of the U Bracket.

 

"The Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White) computers that support dual IDE drives have a U bracket installed in the rear drive bay. This allows two hard drives to be installed in that bay. Refer to Figure 1 to identify the U bracket."

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=24342

If you have this and a Rev 2 machine, you can install the 120 Gig without an IDE PCI Card.

If you have a Rev 1 you'd want a Card.

With the 120 Gig you could get this Card.

http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm...tem=ACDAEC6260M

Whatever Rev you have, if you want the 200 Gig,

you'll need something like this.

http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm...tem=ACDAEC6280M

Seems like a lot of money between 200 Gig Drive and Card.

I wouldn't do that.
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2003, 10:14:00 PM »
I read that first thing to mean the HD might be  Rev. 1!
My machine is def. Rev. 2. When i bough it from apple the G4s were already coming out. And it says R2 in the Apple profiler.